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James E. Veale, CPA, MBT

Dennis,

Unlike prior eras where interest rates stayed in a relative tight range, we have seen the CMT indices drop precipitiously. With investors expecting the same return on investment, the only thing that could go up, did -- margins. As the CMT rates return to hisorical norms, it is hoped by many, margins will begin to recede.

If the situation changes, we will need to look at borrowers to see if refinancing their reverse mortgages will result in lower overall loan balances a few years out. There is little doubt some will take advantage of the margin drops to refinance seniors when it may not be in the borrowers' best interests.

Just today, an originator from another company tried to justify refinancing one of our borrowers. For a $5,000 upfront cost, they could get her $25,000 more in "benefits". I am sure he is convinced this meets the 5-to-1 refinancing standard even though the service fee set aside is nowhere to be found in his $5,000 upfront cost analysis.

When I asked the originator if he had told the borrower about the detriment, he asked me what I meant by that statement. I then told him that the margin on the new loan would be a full 1% higher (2.75%) than the old (1.75%). He then tried to say that the loan rates varied anyway. I literally had to repeat myself several times to get him to realize, the index is what varies and it varies the same for those loans using the same index. What does not vary is the margin once it goes into effect.

This originator finally got it but I do not believe he will tell the borrower the real situation. The sad thing is that the borrower will experience a 1% higher interest rate on over $200,000 just to get $25,000. This originator has been in business for over 3 years.

As an industry, we need better training, higher ethical and best practice standards along with accountability. I was disappointed not only by the originator but also by the lender who tolerated such irresponsible representation.

Mike Gruley

Great Blog Dennis,

The quickly rising margins, in my view, are a result of the lack of liquidity in the system. For those of us who remember a time when Fannie was the only purchaser of HECM's, we remember not ever having any YSP and the margin was fixed at 150. Very simple.

In late 2007, when Wall Street aggressively entered the game with a strong appetite for HECM's, YSP's were born and so was the HECM 100 (which I believe was a mistake of gigantic proportions). As more buyers of HECM's entered the market, the margins stayed low and YSP's remained. Now,since the economic meltdown has taken hold, we are in a sense back to start with only one consistent buyer of HECM's...Fannie. Essentially being the only market maker in HECM's Fannie has absolutely no economic incentive to keep margins or YSP's low. Until more buyers of HECM's appear on the scene and create competition in the secondary markets, expect margins in the 275-300 range with little or no YSP.

Perhaps the higher yield standard that Fannie sets will likely attract more buyers of HECM's and create the necessary competition in the secondary markets that will once again drive margins down and/or YSP' up.

We shall see.

William J. Green

Crossing the rubicon that the reverse rub hinges on more government subsidies and or bailouts may bode well for the short-term, but not the long-term. For "solutions do NOT emanate from heavy-handed government, they spring forth from the lightly governed."

The long-term solution, albeit at market interest rates, resides squarely within the private sector. The loan must make sense to private investors and thus they will require higher margins on top of market rate indices.

Need proof? Look at what happened this week with the likes of Nutter and Metlife. They adjusted their pricing such that it effectively required their correspondents to raise margins, in some cases, a full point.

Why did the wholesalers do this? Because they know that they can't rely exclusively on GSEs! They must diversify and find investors in the private sector. These investors won't receive payments on their investments for up to perhaps a couple decades, and hence will require a financial cushion provided by a higher margin. This is the natural cost of returning reverse business to the private sector and weaning ourselves from Government Sponsored Entities, both of whom just received huge government bailouts. Higher margins, I believe, are here to stay.

Thus the future for high-cost real estate markets like our beloved NY and CA, etc., resides squarely on the need to convince HUD to raise the lending limits to somewhere near $600K. The private sector will once again service markets above this ceiling, but they will certainly require, as before, higher rates even if they come with somewhat lower closing costs.

Savvy seniors will understand. And for the rest of seniors, we'll have to do what we've always done: gladly take the extra time and make the extra effort to educate and explain that this is how free markets work - the very markets and way of life they sacrificed so valiantly and heroically to defend.

Frank

Caught in a trap.

Hi, Dennis.

I would suggest that our current situation is even more problematic than availability of funds.

Seniors who take out a Reverse at these higher margins will have the increased margins for the life of the loan.

Let's assume that the one year rises to just 4% again, and that competition brings the margins back down. Borrowers stuck with these currently high margins will be paying the higher rate -- conceivably a percent or so higher, than new borrowers at that future time.

Current borrowers will be trapped for the life of their loan, by the higher margin.

While it is somewhat understandable that our lenders need at least a reasonable rate of return, there is no mechanism to lower the margin of a loan in force, to level the playing field when rates do go back up.

In fairness, we need such a mechanism now.

Sylvia Williams

Hi Dennis,

I always enjoy reading your blogs.

Your comments that with lower interest rates, the benefits are higher for the client is true with a new loan. however, if a borrower already has a reverse mortgage, the increase in rate won't affect their existing benefits. However, it will affect how quickly their equity is consumed. Just wanted to point that out to your readers.

I sure do agree with you that we need to make sure the reverse mortgage program stays strong and benefits our senior population.
Thanks, Dennis!

Dawn Smith

To: U S Government -

"Please Listen to this well-stated solution!"

Deanne Opstad

FNMA's new live pricing model is forcing the margins to increas so companies making reverse mortgages to survive.

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